The Hard Way With Joe De Sena

What happens when a Navy SEAL, a Spartan founder, and a Murph workout collide? You get hard truths about grit, discipline, and why your circle determines your ceiling. Jacob Werksman, Navy SEAL, author, and leadership coach at Harvard, breaks down the “meal to meal” mindset from SEAL Hell Week, the power of positive peer pressure, and how to turn suffering into fuel. “From finding people who force you to level up to sharpening self-awareness and presence, this talk rips success down to the basics that actually matter. If you’re serious about growth, press play and get uncomfortable. Timestamps: 00:00 Meet Navy SEAL Jacob Werksman 00:20 Early Murph start & peer pressure 01:38 SEAL culture & leveling up 03:08 Positive tension in life & work 04:14 Community sets your limits 04:46 Lessons from Joe’s family life 05:22 Energy givers vs. takers 06:33 Harvard & Victory Strategies 08:29 what separates great leaders 09:46 Books: Leadership of Life Sport & Mastering Your Gap 12:50 Can anyone be a SEAL? 15:43 Therapy in endurance challenges 16:39 Addicted to the “suck” 17:10 Three tips for a great life 20:50 Getting teams to do hard things Connect to Jacob: Website: https://www.victory-strategies.com/aboutjacob Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jacob_werksman/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jwerksman/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGyuRzeve0&ab_channel=VictoryStrategies

What kind of mindset does it take to train 7 years for one climb? Tommy Caldwell did exactly that before finally conquering the Dawn Wall in a 19-day climb that changed the sport forever. He also survived a kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan that tested his endurance in ways no mountain ever could. Tommy shares the lessons he learned through fear, pain, and grit. Tune in now and learn how to build the mindset to push past your own limits. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:27 Meet Tommy Caldwell 01:47 Growing up climbing with his dad 02:33 Free climbing vs. free soloing explained 03:13 Climbing the Dawn Wall 04:50 Seven years of training for one climb 05:43 Physical and mental training routines 06:38 Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan the full story 10:24 How the climbers escaped captivity 11:19 Losing a finger in a construction accident 11:45 Building “obstacle immunity” through adversity 15:34 Endurance sports and human limits 16:14 What’s next for Tommy 17:59 Mindset & finding strength in community 20:52 The Dawn Wall bool & film Connect to Tommy: Website: tommycaldwell.com Instagram: instagram.com/tommycaldwell Facebook: facebook.com/1tommycaldwell LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tommy-caldwell-0472a98a Twitter/X: x.com/tommycaldwell1

What would it take to hit ONE MILLION push-ups? Kevin Cullum did it! Not by chasing world records, but by proving the power of consistency, grit, and accountability. In this episode, he shares his Hammer Method for setting massive goals, building unstoppable momentum, and starting even when it feels impossible. Ready to push past your limits? Watch now, subscribe, and join the Spartan journey. Timestamps: 00:00 1 million push-ups in 10 years 00:58 How did it all start 02:00 Why people can’t stay consistent 03:33 Accountability & the Hammer Method 07:30 The power of momentum and identity 09:42 Starting the 1 Million Pull-Up Challenge 11:47 Overcoming childhood anxiety and self-doubt 13:26 Building pull-up strength from the ground up 14:37 No need for fancy setup 15:22 Make a choice & just start 18:13 Where to find Kevin 19:15 Spartan race challenge invitation 20:27 How to fit training into a busy family life 21:30 Final thoughts: making time and building discipline Connect to Kevin: Instagram: @1million_pullups YouTube: @1_millionpushups

Most athletes lose their edge because they don’t recover right. The mattress innovator Jack Dell’Accio reveals breaks down why deep sleep and REM sleep drive peak performance, how pros are using sleep recovery hacks to gain an advantage, and why the mattress you sleep on can change everything. Learn how to recover faster, perform stronger, and push past limits. Want the Spartan edge? Hit play and level up your sleep. Timestamps: 00:00 Jack’s roots & childhood in Montreal 02:08 Hockey life in Canada and Florida 03:20 Panthers games & working with NHL players 06:44 How Jack entered the mattress business 09:54 Sleep study: boosting REM & deep sleep 11:27 What makes Essentia mattresses different 14:46 New Boca Raton factory & expansion plans 18:02 Where to find Essentia & customer loyalty Connect to Jack: Website: myessentia.com Instagram: @jackdellaccio / @essentiagram Facebook: facebook.com/myessentia LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-dell-accio-96966423 YouTube: youtube.com/user/essentiaworld Twitter/X: twitter.com/essentia

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Matt Prouty, a police officer showing what real community leadership looks like. When Matt Prouty saw addiction and homelessness destroying his community, he didn’t wait for policy—he built a street team, set up shower programs, and met people where they were. No excuses. No red tape. Just real action. This is a raw, inspiring look at what happens when one person steps up and leads from the front. Watch now—and ask yourself: where could you step up in your own community? Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:20 Meet Matt Prouty 01:36 What’s Matt’s Superpower 02:56 The Reality of Homelessness and Drug Use 04:15 Faith-Based Community Housing Models 05:44 The Role of Local Communities 07:06 How Matt’s Upbringing Shaped His Mission 09:13 From Law Enforcement to Outreach 10:14 Shower & Laundry Program 11:23 Playing the Long Game in Outreach 12:14 Team-Based Street Outreach Works Best 13:38 The Growth of Police-Led Outreach 15:04 How Can People Help 16:16 How Project Vision Was Born 17:28 How to Donate to Project Vision Connect to Matthew & Project Vision: Website: https://projectvisionrutland.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/projectvisionrutland Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/projectvisionrutland

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Navy SEAL veteran Gus Gustavson for an unforgettable look at what it truly takes to build unshakable grit. From a small-town upbringing and a Mormon mission in Brazil to surviving Hell Week. Not once, but twice. Gus reveals how discipline, purpose, and mental toughness shaped every step of his journey. You'll hear how his military mindset now fuels a powerful mission to train law enforcement and save lives. Whether you’re chasing your next Spartan finish line or just trying to push through life’s obstacles, this episode will challenge your excuses and reset your perspective. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:30 Meet Karl Gus Gustavson 02:07 Background & High School 02:35 Coaches Who Built Character 03:38 Gus’s Mormon Mission to Brazil 04:43 Mission Work as a Rite of Passage 06:50 Learning to Communicate & Coexist 07:53 Returning from Brazil and the 9/11 Turning Point 08:49 Why He Joined the Navy SEALs 11:17 Injuries and Perseverance in SEAL Training 13:54 Getting Assigned to the “Wrong Coast” 15:19 Reflections on His SEAL Career 17:33 Perspective from WWII Veterans 19:01 Physical Struggle Builds Mental Strength 19:49 Life After the SEALs 20:52 Support from the Spartan Community Connect to Karl Gus Gustavson: Website: https://c1p.org Instagram: @kgus245 (personal) / @community_first_project (organization) Facebook: Community First Project LinkedIn: Community First Project

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Jessica Cox, a woman born without arms, yet a licensed pilot, black belt in Taekwondo, and living proof that limits are self-imposed. Together, they explore how hardship builds mental toughness, why fear is a choice, and how you can turn obstacles into fuel. Jessica’s story will shatter your excuses and shift your mindset. If you’re ready to stop playing it safe and start living without limits—this episode is your wake-up call. Timestamps: 00:00 Meet Jessica Cox 00:19 Born Without Arms 01:02 Gratitude and First-World Comforts 02:30 Childhood Struggles and Resilience 05:22 Her Parents’ Role in Building Confidence 06:17 Dealing with Bullying and Finding Self-Worth 08:39 Became the first armless pilot 10:33 Obstacles Build Discipline 11:18 Inventing the Dressing Tool 12:21 What Holds Most People Back 13:59 The Power of Facing Fear 14:57 The Impossible Airplane Project 17:36 Jessica’s 30-Year Journey in Taekwondo 19:36 Final Words & Future Collaboration Connect to Jessica: Website: https://www.jessicacox.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rightfooted Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jessicacox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rightfooted YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jessicacox

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with performance coach and father of five, Joe Greco, to talk about what it really takes to build grit in your kids, your career, and yourself. From Spartan-style parenting to leading high-performing teams, Joe shares battle-tested strategies for mastering discipline, staying purpose-driven, and unlocking your full potential. Whether you’re a parent, a leader, or just tired of making excuses, this one’s for you. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:27 Meet Joe Greco 01:55 Early mornings & discipline 02:34 Five daughters & Death Camp invitation 04:30 Redefining success beyond money 06:33 Expressions of gratitude 09:07 Joe’s life tools and values 10:46 Mentors, teens & leadership 13:24 Understanding People Better 15:30 How to add value in life 17:48 The story of the Naval Academy 20:57 The meaning of tradition at military academies 21:43 Where to find Joe Greco 22:15 The origin of the name Palio 23:24 The horse race in Siena Connect to Joe Greco: Website: palioinc.com Instagram: @palioinc LinkedIn: Joseph Greco

In this episode, Joe De Sena talks with Ironman World Champion Chelsea Sodaro about how to stay driven, balanced, and resilient as a high-achiever and mom. She opens up about the challenges of returning to elite sport after childbirth, the importance of mindfulness and gratitude, and how to keep going when things get tough. This is a powerful conversation about purpose, perseverance, and showing up for what matters most. If you’ve ever struggled with balance, burnout, or staying motivated, this conversation will reignite your purpose and prove that it’s possible to thrive, not just survive. Timestamps: 00:00 Meet Chelsea Sodaro 00:13 What’s her secret to success? 00:49 Handling daily struggles and staying disciplined 01:08 Balancing motherhood and elite sport 02:16 Work-life integration vs. balance 02:55 Returning to racing after childbirth 04:23 Staying grounded through parenting 05:36 Joe’s Ironman wake-up call 06:37 What’s next for Chelsea? 07:56 Triathlon vs. Spartan 09:02 Tips & Tricks for Daily Life 10:59 Gratitude as a superpower 12:16 Life after winning: chasing the next goal 13:23 Balancing ambition with contentment 14:19 Final thoughts and staying connected Connect to Chelsea: Website: chelseasodaro.com Instagram: @chelseasodaro Facebook: Chelsea Sodaro Twitter / X: @ChelseaSodaro X (formerly Twitter)

He lost an arm and a leg in war and came back stronger than ever. In this raw conversation, veteran and athlete Noah Galloway shares how pain became his fuel, purpose became his compass, and fitness saved his life. From hitting rock bottom to finishing Spartan Races, Noah proves that your mindset—not your circumstances—defines your future. If you’re stuck, struggling, or making excuses… this episode is your wake-up call. Timestamps: 00:00 – Intro 00:51 Noah’s Early Life & Military Service 02:42 The Roadside Bomb & Life-Changing Injuries 04:26 Mental Recovery vs. Physical Recovery 06:12 Purpose-Driven Healing 08:11 Therapy Isn’t Enough Without Action 09:44 Mourning the Loss & Accepting Reality 11:37 Ayahuasca & Psychedelics for Healing 13:51 Racing, Public Speaking & Dopamine 15:55 Death Race Memories & Getting Back to Racing 16:57 Boulder Incident & The Prosthetic Leg 18:43 Sign Up Before You’re Ready 20:05 How to Find & Contact Noah 20:44 The Tough Mudder Story of Eileen 22:19 Three Daily Habits for a Better Life Connect to Noah: Website: https://www.noahgalloway.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/noahgallowayathlete Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thenoahgalloway Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Noah_Galloway

What happens when a 17-year-old signs up to swim 34km across freezing water—no wetsuit, no excuses—all to raise awareness for men’s mental health? In this raw, high-impact episode, Barney Ryder joins Joe De Sena to share how choosing discomfort, facing failure, and embracing the cold shaped his mind more than any victory ever could. They talk resilience, grit, the power of movement over words, and why real change starts where comfort ends. If you’ve ever needed a push to stop talking and start doing—this is it. Timestamps: 00:00 Into 00:38 Meet Swimmer Barney Rider 01:02 Swimming the English Channel 02:12 The Biggest Mental Struggle 04:08 Gaining Weight to Survive 04:42 Overcoming the Failure 05:28 Success Can Be a Trap 06:36 Growth Needs Harsh Conditions 07:29 Mission: Men's Mental Health 09:13 Talk Less, Move More 11:24 Swimming with His Dad 13:15 Advice for Struggling Youth 14:15 Push Past Comfort Zones 15:52 Just Start, Figure Later 16:44 Big Swim Plans Ahead 18:23 How to Support Barney Connect to Barney: Website: JustGiving – Barnaby Ryder Channel Swim Instagram: @barnaby_ryder_

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with a Marine veteran, Rob Jones, who lost both legs to an IED—but didn’t lose his drive, purpose, or grit. Instead, he came back stronger, running 31 marathons in 31 days, winning a Paralympic medal, and building a powerful life rooted in service, family, and leadership. His story is a masterclass in resilience, perspective, and unstoppable mindset. If you’ve ever felt stuck, defeated, or uncertain about your path, this episode will show you what’s possible when you choose purpose over pain—and keep showing up, no matter what. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:48 Meet Rob Jones 01:11 Life lesson from the Marines 02:36 From selfish college kid to selfless soldier 03:47 Why selflessness matters for success 04:57 Can selflessness be taught in schools? 06:14 Ego, avoidance, and the courage to take responsibility 08:16 The IED that changed Rob’s life 09:59 The power of perspective after trauma 11:23 Dark moments: Waking up after the blast 14:15 Projecting a hopeless future vs. choosing to live 15:02 Marathons, medals, and fatherhood 17:32 What’s next for Rob 18:51 How do people find Rob 20:23 Final thoughts Connect to Rob: Website: https://www.robjonesjourney.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robjonesjourney Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/robjonesjourney LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-jones-journey Twitter/X: https://x.com/robjonesjourney

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Dean Karnazes, one of the world’s most relentless endurance athletes. Dean is an ultra-marathoner and is still competing hard at 60+. From a spontaneous 30-mile run sparked by tequila to training like a Spartan with no gym, he shares powerful lessons on discipline, resilience, and building a body—and mindset—that doesn’t quit. You’ll learn how micro workouts can transform your day, why breathing through your nose can upgrade your endurance, and how to push past your limits when your mind wants to give up. If you’re looking for motivation to get moving, level up your habits, or stop making excuses, this is the episode you need. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:41 Dean’s Spartan Roots 01:47 Why People Hate Running 02:57 The Drunken Start of Dean’s Running Career 05:09 How He Stays Healthy Over 60 06:20 Nose Breathing and Ancient Spartan Tactics 06:56 Dean’s Hardest Challenge: 50 Marathons in 50 Days 07:55 The Power of Not Thinking 09:49 What’s Next: From Dead Sea to Everest 12:42 Advice for Regular People 16:49 The One Workout Everyone Should Do 17:11 Where to Find Dean Connect to Dean: Website: https://www.ultramarathonman.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ultramarathon Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/deankarnazes LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deankarnazes YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UltramarathonDean Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/DeanKarnazes

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Jessica Buchanan, a humanitarian worker who was kidnapped in Somalia and held hostage for 93 harrowing days. With no weapons, no training, and no escape in sight, Jessica relied on grit, faith, and the raw power of the human spirit to survive. She shares the terrifying details of her abduction, the mental strength it took to stay alive, and how she turned her pain into purpose. If you’ve ever doubted your own resilience, this conversation will remind you: you are stronger than you think. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:50 Jessica’s 93-Day Kidnapping Story 01:21 Realizing Inner Strength in Captivity 04:09 The Value of Manufactured Adversity 06:24 What Happened in Somalia 12:09 Building Mental Resilience, One Minute at a Time 14:48 The Rescue: Navy SEAL Operation 20:05 Life After Trauma and Finding Purpose 21:39 How to Connect with Jessica 21:53 Final Message Connect to Jessica: Website: jessbuchanan.com Instagram: @jessicacbuchanan Facebook: Jessica Buchanan LinkedIn: Jessica Buchanan YouTube: Jessica Buchanan

In this episode, Joe De Sena talks with strength coach and entrepreneur Chris Duffin about what it really takes to become mentally and physically unbreakable. Chris shares his powerful 6-phase framework for personal growth — from standing on the edge of a big decision to climbing out of rock bottom stronger than ever. You’ll hear raw stories of failure, recovery, and the daily discipline it takes to build true resilience. He explains why discomfort is essential for growth, how to train your mind like a muscle, and how small, consistent actions can carry you through even the hardest seasons of life. If you’re facing setbacks, burnout, or just want to get tougher, this episode gives you the tools and mindset to rise. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:44 Meet Chris Duffin: The Mad Scientist of Strength 01:22 From Wilderness Trauma to Resilience Expert 05:19 How to Grow Through Hard Times 10:05 The Pit Is the Place 12:08 Don’t Stay on the Peak Too Long 14:39 Squatting 800 Pounds a Day for 30 Days 18:16 Go Public, Find a Why, and Take It Day by Day 19:02 Helping People Build Mental Toughness 19:50 Merging Biomechanics and Mental Resilience Connect to Chris: Website: https://chrisduffin.com Instagram: @mad_scientist_duffin Facebook: Chris Duffin – Kabuki Strength LinkedIn: Chris Duffin YouTube: @MadScientistDuffin

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with CrossFit Games champion and Train Hard founder Jason Khalipa to explore what it really means to build grit, discipline, and lasting strength in a world that’s getting softer by the day. Jason shares the powerful life lessons he’s learned through elite competition, fatherhood, and personal adversity. They dive into the “Never Zero” mindset, the Train Hard code, and why fitness isn’t just about reps or aesthetics but about showing up strong for your family, your mission, and yourself. Whether you're struggling to stay consistent, looking to level up, or just need a wake-up call, this episode will challenge you to train harder, live better, and never quit. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:42 Meet Jason Khalipa 01:13 Pushing through when you want to quit 02:07 The power of “why” and the right mindset 04:52 Jason’s upbringing and the impact of immigrant grit 06:06 How to raise tough kids in a comfortable world 08:06 Jason’s daughter’s leukemia journey 08:57 Why fitness matters beyond the physical 10:37 Discovering CrossFit and building a gym empire 12:22 Jason’s mission to help men train hard and do better 16:24 On fatherhood, energy, and avoiding the slow decline 19:44 “Never Zero” mindset: keep the momentum going 20:57 Practical & simple nutrition rules to follow 23:01 Where to find Jason and the Train Hard community Connect to Jason: Website: jasonkhalipa.com Instagram: @jasonkhalipa Facebook: Jason Khalipa LinkedIn: Jason Khalipa YouTube: Jason Khalipa Twitter/X: @jasonkhalipa

What does it really take to raise strong, confident girls in today’s world? In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with Cesalina Gracie – Mount Everest climber, self-defense expert, and member of the iconic Gracie Jiu Jitsu family. Cesalina runs an all-women’s martial arts academy and has trained girls as young as two to stand their ground, trust their instincts, and lead with power. They dive deep into the real difference between competition and challenge, how to motivate kids without pressure or fear, and why female empowerment starts with mindset, not medals. Cesalina shares unfiltered stories from her own upbringing in the world’s most famous fighting family and explains how she turned discipline, self-awareness, and real-life preparedness into a lifelong mission. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:43 Meet Cesalina Gracie 01:59 Upbringing, Discipline, and Family Values 04:25 Leading by Example 07:33 Building Confidence in Girls & Women 09:00 When Competition Becomes a Burden 13:51 The Importance of Self-Motivation 18:11 Competition vs. Challenge Debate 25:14 How to Connect with Cesalina’s 26:15 Final Thoughts Connect to Cesalina: 🌐 Website: https://cesalina.com/ 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cesagracie 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cesalinagracie 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cesalina-gracie-096792117 ▶️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/cesalinagracie ✖️ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/cesagracie

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with James Pieratt—a man who turned a past of heroin addiction and prison into a life of discipline, grit, and ultra-endurance. Now, he’s gearing up to run 1,000 miles along the California coast. Discover how James rewrote his life's script by embracing ancient warrior wisdom, conquering addiction, and pushing human limits. Whether you're feeling stuck, battling personal demons, or just need a massive dose of inspiration, this episode will light a fire in your soul and show you that NO obstacle is too big to overcome. Get ready for a raw, unfiltered journey of human resilience that will make you believe anything is possible! Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:15 James’ Upbringing and Early Struggles 06:11 Cold Turkey Recovery & Methadone Withdrawal 06:59 Sources of Wisdom & Role of YouTube 09:55 Ancient Warrior Wisdom Applied to Modern Life 12:55 Ego as the Biggest Obstacle to Face 14:25 Endurance as a Path to Grow 15:24 Legendary Runners Who Inspire 20:26 3 Life Lessons to Apply Now Connect to James: Website: wildhuntconditioning.com Instagram: @wildhuntconditioning Facebook: James Pieratt LinkedIn: James Pieratt YouTube: Wild Hunt Conditioning Twitter/X: @wildhuntactual

In this episode, Joe De Sena sits down with one of the most unstoppable humans on the planet—a former Gurkha and UK Special Forces operator, Nims Purja, who walked away from a military pension to chase a dream the world called impossible. Discover how he shattered mountaineering records, rescued stranded climbers on Everest, and turned purpose into power when no one believed in him. From brutal discipline to next-level mindset shifts, this is your blueprint for doing what others won’t—even when everything’s on the line. If you’ve ever wanted to quit, play small, or wait for the “right time”—watch this first. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:42 Meet Nims Purja 01:16 Early Life and Joining the Gurkhas 02:27 What Makes a Gurkha Different 03:28 How to Level Up Like a Gurkha 06:39 The Betrayal on Kanchenjunga 10:05 The Power of Purpose 12:05 The Next Big Goal 14:23 3 Rules for Success in Life 15:46 Climbing K2 with No Oxygen 17:03 Climbing 14 Peaks in 26 Days 19:05 Final Thoughts Connect to Nims Purja: Website: https://www.nimsdai.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nimsdai Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NimsPurja LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/nirmal-nimsdai-purja-392320209 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Nims_Dai/featured Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/nimsdai

In this episode, Norman Wolfe reveals the hidden “psychic DNA” that silently drives your decisions, relationships, and business outcomes. Once you understand it—you can rewrite it. Learn to rewrite the internal stories holding you back Break through the barriers that block execution and growth Hack your brain’s natural resistance to change Turn failure into a foundation for lasting success Whether you're a CEO, entrepreneur, or simply striving for personal growth, this episode gives you practical tools to decode unconscious patterns, lead meaningful change, and overcome resistance—so you can think bigger, lead smarter, and become truly unstoppable. Timestamps: 00:45 Meet Norman Wolfe 01:22 Norman’s Career Journey 04:09 Becoming a Consultant 06:14 What Stops Leaders from Executing? 10:20 How to Shift Organizational Behavior 13:53 The Fast Eat the Slow Slogan 15:44 Norman's Personal Relationship Story 18:11 Rituals & Scaffolding for Change 19:02 How to Reframe Resistance 21:35 How to Connect with Norman 22:44 Final Thoughts Connect to Norman: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/norman.wolfe.5 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wolfe YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbnRB_fX-9ZKMf5hvCwHLKg Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/nswolfe Grab the first three chapters of Norman’s book—completely free! www.quantumleaders.com/podcast/ Get the book on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Living-Organization-Transforming-Business-Extraordinary/