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Carlos Flores is an architect, landscape designer, and co-founder of Punta de Fierro Fine Cider. At the 2025 CiderCon in Chicago he presented Carlos presented "Developing An Experimental Edible Forest in a Heritage Apple Orchard." - this episode features his full presentaiton and you will also find his audio synced with all the power point slides at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel. Find full shownotes to this episode at https://ciderchat.com/podcast/485-chile-edible-forest-cider/ 00:00 Intro to Cider Chat - news 00:49 Carlos Flores and the Edible Forest 01:43 The Rich History of Chilean Cider 04:03 Upcoming Cider Events and Tours 08:41 Carlos Flores' Journey and Vision 18:40 Creating the Edible Forest 30:59 Bees and Flowers 31:08 Meteorological Station and Climate Change 32:24 Community Involvement and Workshops 33:37 Greenhouse and New Trees 34:12 Summer School and Neighbor's Orchard 36:17 Building a Cider House 37:47 Biofilter and Water Management 39:32 Community Impact and Economic Development 41:34 Pruning and Tree Management 43:14 Future Plans and Experiments 50:22 Funding and Government Grants 55:30 Final Thoughts and Conclusion Contact info for Carlos of Punta de Fierro Cider Website:https://puntadefierro.cl421: Explore the Rich History of Chilean Cider w/Punta de Fierro Mentions in this Cider Chat 393: How to Wassail & Drink HailTotally Cider ToursCiderCon2026 Support Cider Chat via our Patreon Page!

Meet Patrick McCauley, a Michigan-based cider maker and researcher, who is questioning some of the most common myths about American cider history. What Patrick uncovers is a far more regional, farm-based, and resilient cider story than the usual "cider died because of Prohibition" narrative. 00:00 Introduction to Cider and Prohibtion 00:23 Meet the Host and Guest 01:56 Listener Support and Community 04:51 Cider Salon Hungary, Uk & French Cider Tour 08:03 Featured Conversation with Patrick McCauley 10:25 Cider Production and Historical Insights 14:48 Regional Cider Production in the US 30:36 Impact of Prohibition and Industrialization 37:30 Challenges in Cider Production 38:33 Cider Culture and Consumer Perception 39:22 Historical Context and Regional Differences 42:08 Modern Cider Making Techniques 45:14 The Future of Cider 48:05 Historical Research and Discoveries 59:24 Reviving Lost Cider Traditions 01:05:58 Closing Remarks and Gratitude Contact info for Patrick McCauley Episode 302: Cider Mills of Washtenaw County (1841 to today)Website: https://patrickmccauley.reinhartrealtors.com/ Mentions in this Cider Chat 2026 UK Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour@newenglandcidersCider Salon Hungary Cider Chat Patreon - join today!

Enjoy this annual winter tale from Cider Chat Central! In this special holiday episode, Cider Chat invites you to step into the enchanting world of the Talking Pommes. The Talking Pommes Grand Winter Party is more than just a story - it's a celebration of all things pome, community, tradition, and the joy that comes with every glass of cider. The cider house hums with anticipation as Ria, Perry Pear, Mr. Quince, and the Medlars prepare the night before their annual pressing. But as every year before there is always magic in the air for Ciderville. With the Talking Pommes truly anything can happen and so it does! With snow blanketed orchards, and just the right amount of "Believe" a sleigh pulled by apples glides through the starry sky. Raise a glass and join us on this festive adventure—because in Ciderville, the magic is always just a sip away. Meet the Stars of the Cider House This holiday episode of Cider Chat brings together some of Ciderville's most delightful characters: AppleThe MedlarsMr. QuincePerry PearA Wide Assortment of Pommes The Gift of Holiday Cider Magic This story is for anyone who cherishes the magic of the season. As Apple says, "Every glass of cider holds a story, and this one's for you." From Cider Chat to all of Ciderville, we hope this episode brings joy to your holiday season. Raise a glass, gather 'round, and join the Talking Pommes and Ria in Ciderville!

At the New York Cider Fest in November, there were 2 Cider and Cheese sessions. Cider Chat Emcee Ria Windcaller attended one featuring ciders from 4 different makers. This cider and cheese pairing was led by Rachel Freier, a cheesemonger who is based in the Finger Lakes. She brought deep knowledge, humor, and a whole lot of heart as we tasted our way through four ciders and three cheeses. 00:00 Introduction to New York City Cider Fest 01:55 Networking at the Cider Fest 02:50 Exploring the Finger Lakes Cider Scene 04:36 Upcoming Cider Tours and Events 09:32 Cider Making Tips and Anecdotes 13:46 Featured Presentation: Cider and Cheese Pairing 23:31 Sterilizing Juice and Grape Skins 23:41 Exploring Apple Varieties: Northern Spy and Crab Apples 24:06 Harvesting Feral Fruit and Gnarly Branch Rose 24:51 Pairing Cider with Cheese 25:31 The Finger Lakes Cider Scene 26:09 Cider and Goat Cheese Pairings 27:19 Kingston Black: The King of Apples 30:16 The Art of Blending Ciders 31:09 Sustainable Cheese Making 33:43 Chisel Jersey Cider and Cheese Pairing 36:19 Upcoming Cider Chat Episodes 37:20 Celebrating the Holidays with Cider 39:23 Musical Outro: Strange Apples Contact Info for the Ciders and Rachel Rachel Freier, (Cheesemonger):Eve's Cidery - Maker EzraIdiot Brother Cider - Maker RobertGrisamore/ Cider Works - Maker SimonSouth Hill Cider - Maker Steve Mentions in this Cider Chat Episode 198: Becoming a Pomologist w/ Dr. PeckTotally Cider Tours UK tour feature in CAMARA's Pint WestPatron Letter - Sune2026 Blossom Time Totally Cider TourThe Talking Pommes' Grand Winter Party Annual Special Episode

Tom Oliver is delightfully talented, mischievously witty, and not only a renowned cider maker but also a top-notch perry maker. He may say, "If you're going to make perry and work with pears, you've already identified yourself as being criminally insane," but what we found was simply a bold maker willing to go the extra mile for every bottle. Enjoy this audio snap shot at Oliver's Cider and Perry Herefordshire, recorded on the 2025 Totally Cider Tour_UK Edition. Hear him share the story behind transforming his family's old hop barns into the heart of his cider and perry production, offering listeners a rare look into his traditional farmhouse methods. He discusses the challenges and joys of working with tannic cider apples and perry pears, spontaneous fermentation, barrel aging, and the evolving climate's impact on cider making. Tom has been featured in many Cider Chat® episodes and will be one of the select scheduled stops on the 2026 UK Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour. 00:00 Introduction to Perry and Cider Making 00:17 Meet the Host and Guest 00:57 Totally Cider Tour Experience 03:28 Challenges of Perry Making 04:11 Foraging and Traditional Perry Making 05:09 The Importance of Known Varieties 06:28 Cider Preferences and Quality 07:43 Totally Cider Tours - UK 10:18 Tom Oliver's Cidery Tour 11:47 Barrel Room Insights 13:08 Perry and Cider Fermentation 14:35 Pressing and Storing Fruit 15:51 Unique Perry Varieties 21:48 Barrel Aging and Tasting 25:03 Introduction to Fermentation 25:49 Wild Fermentation Process 27:11 Saccharomyces Yeast Role 28:34 Fermentation Containers and Aging 29:26 Bottling and Release Plans 29:44 Fermentation Under Pressure 32:28 Temperature and Duration of Fermentation 33:43 Challenges with Temperature Control 36:31 Barrel Cleaning and Maintenance 38:27 Regulations and Environmental Concerns 40:54 Conclusion and Future Plans Topics Covered Perry Pear Varieties Mentioned ButtThornJudge AmphlettWinnall's LongdonYellow Huffcap Ciders & Perrys Tasted Eskimo Eyes Perry6% ABVrum and white wine barrelsBarrel-Aged Still Cider9.2% ABVIrish whiskey and Scotch barrels Call to Action If you've ever wondered whether you're bold enough to make perry, this episode will either inspire — or warn — you. Join Tom Oliver and other makers on the upcoming 2026 Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour, and hear more stories from the barrel rooms of cider's most daring artists at CiderChat.com. Send an email today to mailto:info@ciderchat.com Contact info for Oliver's Cider & Perry (Tom Oliver) Website: https://oliversciderandperry.co.uk/ Mentions in this Cider Chat Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour 2026info@ciderchat.com

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview 00:32 French Pronunciation Fun 02:27 Holiday Gift Ideas for 2025 02:59 Cider Chat News and Updates 04:42 Listener Stories and Experiences 07:49 Upcoming UK Cider Tour 2026 12:47 Featured Presentation: 2025 Holiday Cider Gift Guide 13:35 Cider Chat Partners and Supporters 25:30 Stocking Stuffer Tips and Cider Supplies 31:36 The Perfect Name for American Pommeau 45:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts 00:00 Introduction and Language Fun 00:14 Cider Chat Episode 480 Overview 01:10 Naming Poot in America 02:27 Holiday Gift Ideas for 2025 02:59 Cider Chat News and Updates 03:08 New Patron and Michelin Star Connection 04:42 Michael of Edulis Cider Journey 06:25 Rising Costs of Starting a Cidery 07:49 Blossom Time Tour 2026 12:47 Holiday Cider Gift Guide 13:35 Cider Chat Partners and Supporters 25:30 Stocking Stuffers and Cider Supplies 31:36 The Perfect Name for American Pommeau 41:32 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Find full episode show notes and links at https:ciderchat.com

New York Cider Fest 2025 brought together makers and enthusiasts for an unforgettable day at City Winery Manhattan. In this special collection of on-the-floor recordings, Cider Chat® captures Audio Snap Shots with festival patrons. Hear how attendees at the New York Cider Fest are viewing cider today — what styles they're excited about, how they're drinking it, and the foods they love to pair with a glass, including their favorite Thanksgiving matches. Episode Timeline 00:00 Introduction to Cider Chat 02:34 Exciting News: Totally Cider Tours 10:21 Feature Presentation: New York Cider Fest 12:24 Listener Snapshots: Cider Enthusiasts Share Their Stories 18:45 Exploring Cider Pairings and Preferences 19:22 Cider Travels and Discoveries 25:17 Food Influencers at Cider Fest 28:05 Meet the Food Bloggers 28:35 Kylie and JJ's Cider Journey 32:30 Katie's Fruity Cider Favorites 39:09 AJ's Tequila and Cider Combo 42:22 Adventurous Ashley's Cider Travels 45:48 Cider's Growing Popularity 47:56 Join the UK Cider Tour 49:20 Cider Song Finale Contact info for the New York Cider Fest https://www.newyorkciderassociation.com/ Mentions in this Cider Chat 2026 Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour April 27th – May3rd@roommatesfeasting@fontanas_food@adventuressashley

What is Pommeau? Pommeau is a: fortified blend of fresh apple must (unfermented) and apple brandy (typically Calvados in Normandy or Lambig in Brittany). The unfermented apple juice and brandy are combined before fermentation, which halts the process entirely and preserves natural sweetness. By law in France, Pommeau must be aged a minimum of 18 months in oak and produced within designated regions. It's rich, amber-colored, and served as an apéritif. It is consider to be a French heritage drink shaped by decades of refinement and protected standards. When did Pommeau receive AOC status? Pommeau received its official Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée (AOC) status in 1991, formalizing the traditional method and legally protecting what can and cannot be called Pommeau within France. And in America? If you ask what Pommeau is in the United States, the answer is: nothing defined. There is no legal TTB definition, no standard of identity, and no trade agreement protecting the name. Yet hundreds of U.S. labels already use the word…sometimes accurately, sometimes loosely, often inconsistently. So the question becomes, "What happens when a French classic with strict rules lands on U.S. labels with no rules at all?" That's the conversation American isn't having… yet. In this episode, Ria speaks with alcohol beverage attorney Lindsey Zahn to unpack what it means to use the word Pommeau in the U.S.—legally, culturally, ethically—and what cider makers and consumers should consider going forward. What happens when a French classic with strict rules lands on U.S. labels with no rules at all? That's the conversation America isn't having… yet. In this episode, Ria speaks with alcohol beverage attorney Lindsey Zahn to unpack what it means to use the word Pommeau in the U.S.—legally, culturally, ethically—and what cider makers and consumers should consider going forward. Key Topics Covered legallyno definitionfortified ciderPommeaunotnotnew American term Contact info for Lindsey Zahn P.C. Website: https://www.zahnlawpc.comEpisode 85 Lindsey Zahn on Cider Lawhttps://www.ttb.gov 00:00 Introduction and Common Misconceptions 00:23 Meet the Host and Guest 01:35 Episode Overview: Focus on Pommeau 03:13 Cider Tours Announcement 06:58 Listener Support and Sponsors 08:40 Main Discussion: Legal Aspects of Pommeau 25:34 Trademark Rights and Labeling Concerns 27:34 The Importance of Due Diligence in Labeling 28:46 Pomo: A Gray Area in Cider Labeling 30:30 Alternatives to Using 'Pomo' 32:36 Truth in Labeling and Production Methods 36:08 Advice for Cider Producers 38:39 Role of Cider Associations 46:08 Final Thoughts and Call to Action Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider Tours

Learn how to pick the right Cider and Perry for every dish on the Thanksgiving table. This week we are not chasing brand names. We are building flavor intuition. Consider Thanksgiving not as one single taste on a plate; it is a stack of distinct taste worlds. Each one asks for its own kind of cider or perry. In this holiday feature, Ria and the Talking Pommes a.k.a. Perry Pear, Mr. Quince, and The Medlars talk through the art of pairing cider and perry for the entire Thanksgiving feast, from the welcome sip to dessert. You will learn how to shop with confidence, how to read a label for style rather than brand, and how to bring bottles that make every part of the meal sing. There is also a downloadable Thanksgiving Cider Shopping Checklist PDF below to make your trip to the store simple and stress free. Chapters for Episode 477 00:00 Introduction and Talking Pommes 00:47 Welcome to Cider Chat 02:02 Thanksgiving Traditions and Preparations 06:05 Upcoming Cider Tours 07:40 New York Cider Events 10:26 Ultimate Cider Pairing Guide for Thanksgiving 14:00 Choosing the Right Cider for Starters 18:33 Main Course Cider Pairings 20:37 Turkey Preparation and Cider Pairing 21:12 Smoked Turkey and Barrel-Aged Cider 21:49 Creamy Sides and Semi-Dry Cider 22:31 Fruit Ciders for Roasted Vegetables 22:57 Choosing the Right Cider 23:58 Introducing Cider to Friends and Family 25:01 Low Alcohol Ciders for Gatherings 26:30 Dessert Pairings with Cider 31:31 Serving Cheese and Fruit Plates 33:01 Thanksgiving Table Preparations 36:19 Final Thoughts and Recommendations Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider ToursCider ShareNew York Cider Fest

How to clarify, stabilize, and finish cider the right way The Purpose of Secondary Fermentation when Making Cider Once the apple juice has started fermented and it is now slowing down, it is time to rack over your cider for secondary fermentation. Secondary fermentation is where your cider moves from "young" to "refined." This stage improves clarity, stability, and overall quality before bottling or serving. 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:27 – Meet the Host: Ria Windcaller 00:45 – The Magic of Clothes Pins 01:14 – Episode Overview: Secondary Fermentation 01:55 – Replay Announcement: Season 8, Episode 386 02:14 – Cider Making in the Northern Hemisphere 02:34 – Cider Making Resources and Equipment 06:09 – Totally Cider Tours 13:29 – Upcoming New York Cider Festival 15:31 – Featured Presentation: Clearing Cloudy Cider 24:01 – Observing Fermentation Activity 24:21 – Timing and Patience in Cider Making 24:54 – Understanding Racking Over 25:32 – Dealing with Stuck Fermentation 26:59 – Secondary Fermentation Indicators 27:47 – Preparing for Racking Over 29:13 – Racking Over Process 30:49 – Using Sulfites and Equipment 35:32 – Handling Head Space and Lees 38:38 – Final Tips and Bottling 42:43 – Supporters and Closing Remarks Why Secondary Fermentation Matters Secondary fermentation helps your cider: Improve the overall quality and characteristics of the final product during secondary fermentation by; Clarify: After the vigorous primary fermentation phase, yeast, pulp, and particulate matter settle out. Giving the cider time in secondary creates that clean, bright look in the glass. Stabilize: Letting the cider relax in a less active fermentation state helps smooth out rough edges and reduces the risk of funky off-character flavors. Reduce Bottle Sediment: Most of the lees settle in the secondary fermenter — not in your final bottles — giving you a cleaner, professional-looking cider. Avoid Off-Flavors: Yeast that sits too long on the lees can break down (autolyze) and create harsh, unpleasant aromas. Racking to secondary moves the cider off that yeast layer and protects the finished profile.. Secondary fermentation is a crucial step for refining cider, enhancing its clarity, taste, and stability before it is consumed or sold. Past Cider Making Episodes 381 DIY Cider Making for Beginners382 Beginner Tips for Squeaky Clean Cider Equipment384 Beginner Cider Making Tips forPrimary Fermentation When to Transfer to Secondary Primary fermentation must be substantially complete. Signs include: – Airlock activity slows way down – Gravity readings stabilize over several days – Visible bubbling is minimal – A firm lees bed is forming at the bottom – Taste test confirms sugar is mostly gone (unless aiming for sweet Equipment needed for Cider's Secondary Ferment Find a complete list with links to purchase at the Cider Making Equipment page at ciderchat.com Determining when Secondary Fermentation Begins Completion of Active Primary FermentationGravity ReadingsVisual CluesTaste TestTimeframe GuidanceAvoiding Off-FlavorsSpecific Style GoalsEquipment Availability Common Problems during Secondary Ferment Stalled FermentationExcessive OxidationContaminationSulfite BurnInsufficient CarbonationSediment in BottlesUnexpected Flavor ChangesPressure Build-up in ContainersCider Becomes Too Dry Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider ToursNew York Cider Fest

Perry making has deep roots in Gloucestershire, stretching back to the 17th century when French wine imports were cut off during the Napoleonic Wars. Local farmers turned to their own fruit, and the rich soils around Hartpury proved ideal for growing Perry pears. This episode features audio snapshots from the 2025 Totally Cider Tour stop at the National Perry Pear Centre. Our guide, Phil Kester, volunteers with 99PINES , where he helps preserve the region's rare Perry pear varieties. Phil's passion for Perry and deep local knowledge made this visit one of the tour's highlights. The Roots of the National Perry Pear Centre Charles Martellfirst National Perry CollectionJim Chapmanover 100 Perry pear varieties The 99PINES Project The name 99PINES comes from the line of pines atop nearby May Hill, often called the heart of English Perry country. Phil and the volunteers at 99PINES are working to: promote Perry culture80–100 Perry varieties The Art and Challenge of Perry Making Perry is both art and patience. rot within daysmore sensitive to bacteriaBlakeney RedHartpury Greenbottle conditioningPet Nat Contact info for National Perry Pear Centre and 99PINES National Perry Pear CentreWebsite: https://www.nationalperrypearcentre.org.uk/99PINESWebsitehttps://www.nationalperrypearcentre.org.uk/99pines-perry/ Mentions in this Cider Chat April 27-May3rd 2026 Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour Edulis RestaurantNY Cider Fest November 15, 2026

At the base of Burrow Hill life moves at the pace of apples and oak. Here, Julian and daughter Matilda Temperley are testment to the value of family for carry a business such as cider and brandy forward into the next 100 years. "You have to believe in the Romance of it because you are thinking so far in advance" Matilda Temperly From orchards planted for future generations to brandy resting quietly in barrels for decades, the Temperleys embody what it means to think in centuries, not seasons. The Cider: Tradition and Terroir The mount at Burrow Hill is memorialized in ongoing instagram posts because it provides a magnificent centerpiece of endurance and beauty due to its simplicity of a lone a large sycamore tree, which has become a local landmark and symbol of the Somerset landscape. Julian Temperly began planting cider apples trees here over 50 years ago. Today there are acres of orchards in different pockets surrounding Burrow Hill. A notable 75 acre orchard that was purchased from the Showering family years ago now, is touted to be the largest standard cider apple orchard in the world. Here you find the classic Burrow Hill cider as a tannic, full-bodied, and balanced drink. The bottle-fermented Kingston Black and Stoke Red ciders are great for hang time with friends or fine dining. Every cider reflects its orchard origin, emphasizing flavor, heritage, and authenticity. Distilling Somerset’s Spirit In 1989, Somerset Cider Brandy became the first licensed distiller of apple brandy in the UK since the 19th century. And they have been awarded Protected Geographical Indication (PGI) status. This status guarantees that the brandy is produced in a consistent and traditional manner within Somerset. Using unique Gazagne stills, which are continuous stills of French design, the Temperleys now have lovely range of offerings from Eau de Vie to 20-year-aged Somerset Cider Brandy. Their Pomona, is a blend of apple juice and brandy, celebrates Somerset roots. Looking Ahead The Temperly's 100-year plan focuses on replanting traditional orchards, cultivating local oak for future barrels, and sustaining multi-generational stewardship. The goal: to ensure that Burrow Hill remains a place where apples, family, and time converge into something extraordinary. Contact info for Somerset Cider and Brandy at Burrow Hill Website:https://www.somersetciderbrandy.com Mentions in this Cider Chat 432: Ancha Gergely’s Abaliget Garden Projects | Hungarian Cider Maker431: Domaine Johanna Cécillon’s Elegant Ciders | Brittany FRTotally Cider ToursUK Cider TourFrench Cider Tour

What makes a Pét Nat cider sparkle naturally and how is it connected to the rural method you might have heard about in the UK? In this episode, we take a practical look at: Active Ferment → Quiet Phase → Maturationrack1.005–1.010 SGbottle-conditioning Key Takeaways naturally sparklingchampagne-rated bottlessanitize everything Cider Making Resource https://ciderchat.com/cider-making-equipment/Cider Books, Orchard Care, Apple Id and Children's Books Mentions in this Cider Chat Cider Making How-to Episodes: 095: Cider Making at Home easy as 1-2-3152: How to teach Cider Making 101381: DIY Cider Making for Beginners382: Beginner Tips for Squeaky Clean Cider Equipment384: Beginner Cider-Making Tips for Primary Fermentation386: Managing Cider’s Secondary Fermentation – DIY Tips Fall Event - November 1, 25th Annual Apple Harvest Fest at Albemarle CiderWorks

A Toast to Perry and Place Enjoy an intimate recording from the 2025 Totally Cider Tour_UK Edition. This unforgettable evening featured James Forbes of Little Pomona, leading guests through a cider dinner pairing in the Malvern Hills located on the border of Herefordshire and Worcestershire in England. James presents both a welcome Perry, Ciders and a very special aperitif. We beging with Brut Rosé Perry, crafted from perry pears co-fermented with local damsons. James shared how whole damsons are fermented via carbonic maceration to extract their rich color and flavor before being pressed with early season pears. The result: a radiant sparkling Perry with deep fruit notes and remarkable finesse. “We actually ferment the damsons whole in CO₂ and then co-press them with the first pears. It gives a whole new layer of aroma and flavor.” — James Forbes A Cider for the Table Next up was a single varietal Stoke Red cider, a rarity from Little Pomona’s usual blends. James described it as a “fully fermented” cider that is balanced and dry yet vibrant, with a whisper of natural sweetness from the Rural Method. This approach captures the cider before all sugars ferment out, creating harmony between acidity and fruit. Check out Wilding Episode with Sam Leach on the Rural Method “Stoke Red is one of my top three apples. In a less ripe vintage, that touch of sugar brings perfect balance.” Select Cider Apples Dinner continued with Egremont Russet, a still cider with a light sparkle. The russet’s golden skin and nutty depth create an almost wine-like cider. Notes of pineapple, anise, and honey appeared with each sip, echoing the richness of the food and the rustic charm of the evening. “FOMO” Caps the Night Dessert brought out a treasure: Little Pomona’s “FOMO”—a playful nod to France’s Pommeau. Only 192 bottles were made, combining distillate from Bramley apples and Kingston Black juice aged in chestnut barrels. It lent a sweet, amber nectar with layers of floral and plum notes, it was the perfect close to the evening. “We called it FOMO—a faux Pommeau—because you don’t want to miss out on this one.” The Spirit of the Malvern Hills The evening concluded with words from Deborah Fox CEO of the Malvern Hills Trust, who shared the rich history and heritage of this cherished landscape—home to ancient Perry pears, cider orchards, and centuries of cultivation. “We keep the hills unbuilt, un-encroached upon, and un-urbanized. …The Perry pear and cider have always been part of this land’s story.” Deborah Fox Contact info for Little Pomona Website: https://littlepomona.com Past episodes featuring Little Pomona 126: Little Pomona’s Big Ciders! | Herefordshire, UK181: The Cider Insider | 100 Craft Ciders to Drink Now460: James Forbes on Little Pomona’s Ciders & Legacy Contact info for Malvern Hills Trust Website: https://www.malvernhills.org.uk Mentions in this Cider Chat Farmers Hand Kitchen 465: The Integrated Table: Cider, Food, and Farming at 1000 Stone FarmCider Chat Patreon392: Bent Ladder Estate Ciders & Wine | OhioTotally Cider Tours – France and UK

Newton Court Cider began as a 30-acre farm selling apples to Bulmers. When the market changed, Paul Stephens turned those same orchards into a modern day cider business. His early inspiration came from Brian Shanks, the co-founder of Bold Rock Cider in Virginia. Though Bold Rock produces cider on a large, industrial scale, it was Brian’s perspective as a New Zealander who admired Herefordshire’s rich cider apple heritage that sparked Paul’s drive to build something lasting at home. Today, the recently built out Newton Court tasting room/restaurant is booming showing that tourist and locals alike are thirsty for a full service destination. Cider Making at Newton Court It was noted by Paul that his parents open-minded approach helped the farm transistion into the cider destination that it is today. In additon, a recent collaboration with River Cottage led to the award-winning Elderflower Cider, proving that tradition and creativity can thrive together. Newton Court remains deeply rooted in sustainable farming and regional pride, helping to preserve the orchards and cider heritage of Herefordshire for future generations. Contact Info for Newton Court Website:https://www.newtoncourtcider.comTotally Cider Tours

In October 2024, Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller recorded with Tom Vowles of Hedger Cider and Ben Crossman in Somerset. Initially, the two recordings felt like separate brand stories. Then, nearly a year later to the day as the produciton of this audio began and the transcript peeled away a story of entwined history came to light and a shared connection: Coates Cider of Nailsea. Suddenly a light bulb was illuminated! The Coates Cider Company was at the helm of the story and here at Cider Chat Central we saw the weaving in of the story behind both Nick Showering and Bob Cork episode on Triple Vintage! The story of cider is entwined in surprising ways and make perfect sense! Remembering Tom Vowles Tom walked Ria about his production room which showcased a massive rack and cloth press – that originally came from Coates: “It’s a big old press, isn’t it? Came out of Coates originally. We’ve put a lot into getting it running again, and it does the job.” – Tom Vowles At the time of this recording Hedgers Cider had been opened for just 14 months and during that time had become a go-to place for cider fans. The fact that it is located 5 minutes from the Bristol Airport and along a major artery from Weston super-Mare to Bristol also helps. What we didn’t expect was Tom unexpectedly passing away in June of 2025. At the time of this broadcast in fall of 2025, his wife Jo and their son David is now carrying Hedgers forward. Ben Crossman’s Cider and Family History Ben’s story reaches back to the 1930s, when his grandfather made cider alongside Redvers Coate. They even at one time considered a partnership. Tradition:Continuity:Parallel: “It’s funny, isn’t it? The Coates family were massive, and yet they’re not here anymore. But we’re still making cider.” – Ben Crossman Sidebar: Coates & Triple Vintage Founded 1925Wartime boost1951 premium launchTriple VintageFestival Vat1956 takeoverModern linkTriple Vintage Reflection: Cider’s Market Identity Cider was the choice drink for many and Perry once rivaled champagne and held prestige in Parliament. Today, the challenge is reclaiming value without losing openness. Like vinyl records and artisan bread, cider’s comeback requires: Consistency of qualityAudience engagementAuthenticity without snobbery Contact info for Hedgers and Crossman's Hedger Ciderhttps://www.hedgercider.co.ukCrossman’s Ciderhttps://www.crossmanscider.co.uk Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider ToursAbsolem CiderKanga Cider

UK Cider Tour 2025 Audio Snap Shots In this Episode 469 of Cider Chat, we brings listeners inside the UK Totally Cider Tour 2025 through the voices of the guests who joined. From Somerset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, to Wales guests on this tour discovered not just cider and perry, but also community, history, and inspiration. First Impressions and Highlights Personal Connections “They treat us like friends, not tourists.”Kanga Cider Learning and Inspiration Guests emphasized that tasting ciders in their native terroir cannot be replaced by books or certifications. Dan from Spacetime Mead and Cider Works in Dunmore Pennsylvania highlighted how only by being in Herefordshire or Somerset can one grasp the range of English cider styles. Susan and Tom of Heeman’s Cellars in Ontario pointed out how the pacing of the tour allowed real reflection—something missing from busier farm tours. The Takeaway Whether first-timers or repeat guests, everyone agreed: the Totally Cider Tour offers access, education, and camaraderie that can’t be replicated alone. As David of Oregon said it best, “It wasn’t really about the cider—it was about the people.” Contact info for Totally Cider Tours Website page: https://ciderchat.com/totally-cider-tours/ info@ciderchat.comTotally Cider Tours Mentions in this Cider Chat Episode 469 425: Babycham to Triple Vintage – The Showering’s Cider Legacy450th Roger Wilkins – The Cider King444: Worleys and Honey’s: Somerset’s Cider Makers441: Wilding Cider and the Rural Method | Somerset, UK454: Wild Ferment Meets Fine Cider: Inside Oliver’s Barrel Room460: James Forbes on Little Pomona’s Ciders & Legacy432: Ancha Gergely’s Abaliget Garden Projects | Hungarian Cider Maker

Cider Maker and Founder Lee Van DeWater of Pierrepont Cider shares his story in this episode on how he is forages apples to share a taste of terroir from New York’s North Country. Foraging Apples for Cider - Sustainable? Lee’s cider journey started with childhood memories of sweet cider and apple trees planted by his great-grandfather. But it wasn’t until he worked in Montana—buying wine for a co-op that he connected cider and apples through fermentation. Western Cider of Montana help Lee get that spark/idea of a cider life, and the seed was planted. Pierrepont cider is a one-man operation, sourcing apples exclusively within the Little River Watershed. Many of the trees Lee uses are wild seedlings, unknown varieties that thrive in New York’s tough climate. He honors the trees, the land, and water, seeing cider as a reciprocal act of love for place. Low-Intervention, High-Expression Lee is self-taught and intentionally minimalist. His ciders are: Wild-fermentedUnfilteredUnsulfitedAged in stainless and neutral oak barrels Some of the most memorable ciders come from single trees. Others are blends of just a few wild apples growing together. He tracks everything via GPS and harvests with the patience and perspective of a forager. “The tree that holds its fruit until the first snow, that’s climate-controlled storage,” Lee laughs. Micro Batches, Big Intention What’s available? 2024 Pet-NatBrighter LaterOrbed RoadMaple Sap Ciderkin Each bottle comes with its own story. You might not find hundreds of cases, but you’ll find care, balance, and quiet brilliance. Contact Info for Pierrepont Cider Websitehttps://www.pierrepontcider.com Mentions in this Cider Chat Vermont & New York Cider Road Trip Series464: Czech Cider: From Roadside Apples to Cellar Ferments465:The Integrated Table: Cider, Food, and Farming at 1000 Stone Farm466: Growing Cold-Hardy Trees at Saint Lawrence Nursery | NY467: Canton Apples and Frosty Twig: New York Cider Makers UniteTotally Cider Tour_UK Edition 2025Sign upCiderCon 2026

How Canton Apples and Frosty Twig Fused Two Brands into One In New York’s “North of Upstate” region, in the town of Canton is the Canton Apples production building. It is now also home of a partnership shaping the local cider scene. Owner Joel Howie and cider maker Dan Gallagher live just a mile apart, and their skills mesh perfectly. Joel brings over a decade of experience growing apples, pressing sweet cider, and creating value-added products. Dan, a passionate fermenter, was ready to move beyond hobby scale when the two connected. Two Brands, One Vision Under Canton Apples & Cider, LLC, two product lines take shape: Canton Apples Frosty Twig Production takes place in a purpose-built facility designed for growth, with future plans for a taproom overlooking the orchard. Orchard Practices & Apple Diversity Between their combined orchards, Joel and Dan care for over 250 apple varieties — many planted by Bill McKentley of St. Lawrence Nurseries. These heritage and cold-hardy apples thrive in Zone 4, and every apple grown is put to use. When supplies run short, apples are sourced from other New York regions. Cider Making Approach Ciders range from wild-fermented pet-nats to cultured yeast ferments for consistency. Specialty ciders include Turkey TreeWild BerryPear cider Most ciders age 9–10 months before release, allowing flavors to develop naturally. Contact info for Canton Apples Website:https://cantonapples.com Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider Tour_UK Edition 2025Sign upVermont and New York Cider Road Trip series464: Czech Cider: From Roadside Apples to Cellar Ferments465:The Integrated Table: Cider, Food, and Farming at 1000 Stone Farm466: Growing Cold-Hardy Trees at Saint Lawrence Nursery | NY

A Century of Cold-Hardy Trees Saint Lawrence Nursery in Potsdam, NY, has been helping cold-climate growers find success since the 1920s. Originally founded by Fred Ashworth and later expanded by Bill MacKentley, the nursery is now stewarded by Connor and Allyssa Hardiman, the third generation in a nonfamilial succession. What Sets Saint Lawrence Nursery Apart Cold-Hardy Genetics Only Standard Rootstock More Than Apples Passing the Torch of Generational Wisdom and Branding The nursery was handed down without a sale. It was gifted by Bill to Connor in a rare act of agricultural generosity. The plan is to do the same one day. “Love is what makes the world go ’round,” Bill often says, and it’s embedded in every tree tag and planting guide. Cold Hardy Trees For Orchardists and Backyard Growers Most customers are small-scale planters or long-time loyalists. Whether you want just one tree to honor a grandparent or 100 cider apples for a startup orchard, Connor and Allyssa are here to help—with personal attention, a rich planting guide, and an option to let them choose the right tree for you. Contact Info for Saint Lawrence Nursery Website:https://www.slngrow.com/ Mentions in this Cider Chat 391: Test Winters & Climate w/Saint Lawrence Nurseries (NY) Founder302 Washtenaw County Cider Mille 1841- TodayTopsoil Magazine