We Can Do Hard Things

405. Finally Democracy Fighting Back! | Jessica Yellin on Hope from SCOTUS & Harvard This week, Amanda is back with friend of the show, Webby Award Winning Journalist, Jessica Yellin, to break down what’s happening in America and why this week there are a few stories to feel good about. -The alarming deportation case making headlines and how the courts are pushing back -Why Harvard’s refusal to comply could set a powerful precedent for free speech -The surprising way Wall Street is turning on Trump and what it signals -What’s really going on with Hegseth and why his unraveling matters Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand -- dedicated to helping you manage your “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy, Peabody and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent. You can follow her on Instagram at Jessica Yellin. And also, to get real time, clear and brilliant reporting, go to substack.com and search for her page newsnotnoise and subscribe there. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

404. It’s Not Too Late! How We Save the Planet with Dr. Ayana Johnson Glennon, Abby and Amanda speak with Dr. Ayana Johnson, a marine biologist, policy expert, writer, and teacher working to help improve our climate future. The joy of imagining what comes next for our planet, if we mobilize and engage in fostering climate solutions. How to create a personalized climate action plan: realistic things you can do on an individual and community level to help heal the planet. Why we’re not as satisfied with hyper-consumerism as we think we are and how we can get back to nature. For more, check out Dr. Ayana Johnson’s podcast What If We Get It Right? on Apple or Spotify. About Dr. Johnson: Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson is a marine biologist, policy expert, writer, and teacher working to help create the best possible climate future. She co-founded and leads Urban Ocean Lab, a think tank for the future of coastal cities, and is the Roux Distinguished Scholar at Bowdoin College. Ayana authored the book What If We Get it Right?: Visions of Climate Futures, co-edited the bestselling climate anthology All We Can Save, co-created and co-hosted the Spotify/Gimlet podcast How to Save a Planet, and co-authored the Blue New Deal, a roadmap for including the ocean in climate policy. She earned a BA in environmental science and public policy from Harvard University, and a Ph.D. in marine biology from Scripps Institution of Oceanography. She serves on the board of directors for Patagonia and GreenWave and on the advisory board of Environmental Voter Project. Above all: Ayana is in love with climate solutions. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this deeply personal conversation, Kelly Clarkson – beloved artist, truth teller, and goddamn cheetah – joins us to discuss: How Untamed gave her the clarity and courage to divorce; Why she stayed for as long as she did; The lowest point of her life; What broke her heart the most in her marriage; How to recover yourself after slowly disappearing in a relationship; Her incredible new album chemistry; Embracing singleness; and Why she’s a stronger parent today. About Kelly: Kelly Clarkson is one of the most popular artists of this era with total worldwide sales of more than 25 million albums and 40 million singles. Her multi-Emmy Award-winning daytime talk show, “The Kelly Clarkson Show,” has been picked up for its 5th and 6th seasons. Additionally, she was the winning coach on seasons 14, 15, 17, and 21 of “The Voice” and returned as a coach for Season 23. Kelly is the recipient of three consecutive Daytime Emmy Awards for “The Kelly Clarkson Show,” three Grammy Awards, four American Music Awards, three MTV Video Music Awards, one MTV Movie & TV Award, two Academy of Country Music Awards, two American Country Awards and one Country Music Association Award. Kelly will release her highly anticipated tenth studio album, Chemistry on June 23rd. TW: @kellyclarkson IG: @kellyclarkson To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We can do hard things, and yet, sometimes we can try easier. Glennon, Abby, Amanda – and the Pod Squad! — share the strategies they’ve used to suffer less – giving us simple Life Hacks for relationships, home, tech, travel, and saving time. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

403. Save Your Life By Letting Go (of Codependency) with Terri Cole Licensed psychotherapist and relationship expert, Terri Cole, returns to talk more about high-functioning codependency—a term Terri coined to describe those who appear highly capable but feel deeply exhausted, resentful, and overwhelmed in relationships. In part two of our conversation, we will discuss recovery: where to start and what healing looks like. -The biggest cost to being an active HFC and how to stop paying the price -How to stop giving immediate yeses and what to do instead -The two reasons we actually gossip and what it reveals about what we need to work on -Over a dozen actionable tools to release being a High Functioning Codependent Check out part one of our conversation, Are You A High Functioning Codependent? Find Out with Terri, here: Part 1 On Terri: Terri Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and global relationship and empowerment expert and the author of Boundary Boss and Too Much! She has a gift for making complex psychological concepts accessible and actionable so that clients –including parents, celebrities and Fortune 500 CEOs – achieve sustainable change. You can find her through her blog, courses, her podcast, The Terri Cole Show, and at terricole.com. Check out www.terricole.com/hfc for a special offering from Terri. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

402. Are You A High Functioning Codependent? Find Out with Terri Cole. Amanda, Glennon, and Abby are joined by licensed psychotherapist and relationship expert, Terri Cole, to talk about high-functioning codependency—a term Terri coined to describe those who appear highly capable but feel deeply exhausted, resentful, and overwhelmed in relationships. In this episode, we’ll explore how being overly invested in others' outcomes can take a toll on your peace and relationships, and how to begin your healing journey. Be sure to tune in next episode for a deep dive into codependent recovery and how to navigate the process. -Why the more capable you are, the less codependency looks like codependency -Terri’s personal story about how she finally got into recovery for codependency -The two questions you should ask yourself as a codependent before you say yes to anything -The three quick practices you must do to protect your energy On Terri: Terri Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and global relationship and empowerment expert and the author of Boundary Boss and Too Much! She has a gift for making complex psychological concepts accessible and actionable so that clients –including parents, celebrities and Fortune 500 CEOs – achieve sustainable change. You can find her through her blog, courses, her podcast, The Terri Cole Show, and at terricole.com. Check out www.terricole.com/hfc for a special offering from Terri just for the podsquad! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1. What to do when you’ve done everything you were supposed to do and ended up in a place you don’t want to be. 2. Why the question “What do you want?” is terrifying – and how to start answering it authentically for yourself. 3. The power of imagining what does not yet exist in order to make space for new possibilities. 4. The gift of a “midlife crisis” 5. What a mother’s job really is. About Celeste: Celeste Ng is the number one New York Times bestselling author of Everything I Never Told You and Little Fires Everywhere. Her third novel, Our Missing Hearts, is available now. Ng is the recipient of fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts and the Guggenheim Foundation, and her work has been published in over thirty languages. TW: @pronounced_ing IG: @pronounced_ing To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julia Louis-Dreyfus joins us to dive deep into: going to therapy with her 87-year-old mom, how to love adult kids well, the metaphor that got her through breast cancer, and why we should all be excited about getting older. About Julia: Julia Louis-Dreyfus is one of Hollywood’s most influential, iconic actors and producers. She starred in and executive produced HBO’s hit series Veep, she was Elaine Benes in Seinfeld and Christine Campbell in The New Adventures of Old Christine. She has received 11 Emmys with 26 nominations; she broke records for the most Emmys won. She was recently honored with the White House’s National Medal of Arts, the highest award given to artists who advance the arts in the United States. On April 11, she released her new podcast, “Wiser Than Me,” a 10-part series of candid, witty conversations with women over 70. And her fantastic new film You Hurt My Feelings is being released in May. TW: @OfficialJLD IG: @officialjld To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

401. What in the World is Happening with Your 401(k) & Tariffs?? | Jessica Yellin with What We Need to Know Amanda and Webby Award Winning journalist, Jessica Yellin, delve into the intricacies of Trump's recent tariff policies and their impact on the global economy. -Why manufacturers are even less likely to open factories in America now than before -How tariffs will affect American business, the global space, the stock market and YOUR pocketbook -The resistance to Trump’s tariffs policies we’re starting to see in congress -The reason this is considered the greatest self-inflicted wound on the American economy by any president in history. Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand -- dedicated to helping you manage your “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy, Peabody and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent. You can follow her on Instagram at Jessica Yellin. And also, to get real time, clear and brilliant reporting, go to substack.com and search for her page newsnotnoise and subscribe there. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

400. Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice Michelle Obama and her brother, Craig Robinson, co-hosts of the new podcast In My Opinion (IMO), join Glennon and Abby for a heartfelt conversation about love, loss, and the wisdom their late mother, Marian Robinson, left behind. They open up about parenting in the spotlight, the courage to disappoint others, and the lessons that continue to shape their lives. -The final words from Marian Robinson that changed everything -Why Michelle is finally choosing herself—and how to break free from people-pleasing -The biggest challenge facing kids today—and how parents can help -The one piece of advice they want to pass on to their own children Michelle Obama’s passion for storytelling has set sales records, garnered awards and accolades, and earned her global acclaim. Her memoir, Becoming, spent over 130 weeks on the New York Times Bestsellers list, sold more than 17 million copies worldwide. American Factory, the first film produced by her and her husband Barack Obama’s media company Higher Ground, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2020. Upon its release in 2020, The Michelle Obama Podcast was the most successful original in Spotify history, bringing in more women listeners over 40 than any other podcast. Through the Obama Foundation, she founded the Girls Opportunity Alliance, which supports adolescent girls' education and empowerment around the world. Craig Robinson: Craig Robinson is the Executive Director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) and host of the Higher Ground podcast Ways To Win. From 2017-2020, he served as the vice president of Player Development and Minor League Operations for the NBA’s New York Knicks. Previously, he was a Division I head men’s basketball coach at Oregon State and Brown, and spent more than a decade working as a trader in the investment banking industry. He is the brother of former First Lady Michelle Obama. Together, they are the hosts of the new podcast IMO (In My Opinion) with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson. Check out our first episode with Michelle Obama here: https://podcasts.apple.com/si/podcast/193-michelle-obama/id1564530722?i=1000606222468 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1. What we are really fighting about when we’re fighting about the dishwasher. 2. We can stop asking whether what’s missing is a “want” or a “need” – and the question to ask instead. 3. How to use what most frustrates you about your partner to bring you closer. 4. How to start thinking of our partnerships as our own mini political systems. 5. What to do if your partner won’t go to therapy, or if you’re feeling invisible in your relationship. About Dr. Guralnik: Dr. Orna Guralnik is a psychoanalyst and writer, who serves on the faculty of NYU PostDoc, National Institute for the Psychotherapies, the Stephen Mitchel Center, and the editorial boards of Psychoanalytic Dialogues and Studies in Gender & Sexuality. Her writing centers on the intersection of psychoanalysis, dissociation, and cultural studies. She has completed the filming of four seasons of the Docu-series Couples Therapy, airing on Showtime. TW: @DrGuralnik IG: @ornaguralnik To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode—in which Abby confronts my sister and me about our inability to have fun—discover: 1. The one “fun” post that caused more people to unfollow me on social media than any other. 2. Why girls may disassociate early from their ability to access fun. 3. Science’s insistence that when we’re gloomy, rest won’t fix us. We gotta play the blues away. 4. A playlist I created for YOU—if you, like me, need daily help awakening your dormant Fun Self:https://open.spotify.com/user/f50axmsbwkhwq81ttiwovo1yf?si=707cb22232aa4cdf To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

399. Finally Some Good News! Wisconsin Deals Big Blow to Elon & Trump | Jessica Yellin Amanda and award-winning journalist Jessica Yellin break down this week’s biggest political stories—from elections to immigration to authoritarian warning signs—and what it all means. -How the Wisconsin election served as a clear rejection of Trump’s policies and Elon Musk -What this week’s revelations about forced removals mean for the future. -Why Republicans and Democrats are unexpectedly joining forces over the by proxy bill -The health risks we’re all facing due to Trump administration cuts and policies -Why Republicans may be thinking about breaking from Trump Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand -- dedicated to helping you manage your “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy, Peabody and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent. You can follow her on Instagram at Jessica Yellin. And also, to get real time, clear and brilliant reporting, go to substack.com and search for her page newsnotnoise and subscribe there. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Rituals that Make a Magical Life with Michael Norton Harvard Business School professor and author, Michael Norton, discusses the role and importance of rituals in everyday life–and how they can bring meaning, control, and emotional richness to individual lives, relationships, and communities. -The key difference between habits and rituals—and why rituals hold unique power -The surprising truth behind why you really have rituals for your children’s bedtime -Why chasing happiness is a trap—and what you should aim for instead Michael Norton is a professor at Harvard Business School. He is the author of The Ritual Effect: From Habit to Ritual, Harness the Surprising Power of Everyday Actions, and the co-author - with Elizabeth Dunn - of Happy Money: The Science of Happier Spending. His research has been the answer to Final Jeopardy and his TEDx talk, How to Buy Happiness, has been viewed more than 4.5 million times. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1. How to listen to the signals our bodies give us, and other concrete strategies to hold on to being human. 2. The healing power of honoring and reconnecting with our little girl selves and with our Mother Earth. 3. How, if all else fails, we can practice presence and embodiment by talking to a house plant. 4. The traumatizing effect of purity culture, colonization, and assimilation, and how to come home to the wholeness of our core nature, desire, and wisdom. 5. Concrete, everyday acts of rebellion that help us regain what we lost, and restore us to who we really are. About Kaitlin: Kaitlin Curtice is an award-winning author, poet-storyteller, and public speaker. As an enrolled citizen of the Potawatomi nation, Kaitlin writes on the intersections of spirituality and identity. She is a wise and vital voice on decolonizing our bodies, faith, and families, and the freedom and peace of embodiment - finding wholeness in ourselves, our stories, and our lineage. Her new book, Living Resistance: An Indigenous Vision for Seeking Wholeness Every Day, examines the journey of resisting the status quo by caring for ourselves, one another, and Mother Earth – and is available now. Find her on Twitter and Instagram at @kaitlincurtice. If you want to hear more about Embodiment, please listen to the We Can Do Hard Things episode 168 Sonya Renee Taylor: What If You Loved Your Body? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pioneering sports journalist – the brilliant, hilarious, badass Sarah Spain – joins us to reflect on: 1. One of our most popular episodes – Episode 147: The Episode That Wasn’t – when we ended an interview after the guest was disrespectful to our team member; 2. The constant indignities and inequities in male-dominated fields; 3. To report or not to report harassment – and what actually happens when you do report?; and 4. How to help ourselves – and come together to help each other – secure safer and more just work spaces. CW: sexual harassment About Sarah: Sarah Spain is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning sports journalist. In her 12+ years at ESPN she has worked as a radio and podcast host, writer and TV analyst. She's a minority owner of the Chicago Red Stars of the NWSL, a co-founder of “Hear The Cheers,” which provides hearing aids and equipment to kids so they can continue participating in sports, and is on the board of Embarc, a program that provides community-driven experiences and learning opportunities to low-income Chicago high school students. TW: @SarahSpain IG:@spain2323 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

397. Who Said What in that Group Chat Debacle & Is MAGA Starting to Fracture? | Jessica Yellin This week, Amanda and Webby Award-winning journalist, Jessica Yellin, break down the most shocking political story in America: a leaked group chat between Trump’s top officials, revealing classified war plans and reckless national security breaches. What really happened in that Signal thread—and why it could finally fracture MAGA from the inside. -A step-by-step breakdown of the Signal group chat leak—how it happened, who was in it, and what was said -How sharing this information could have endangered American lives -Why the media, not top officials, took the real risks to protect national security Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand -- dedicated to helping you manage your “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy, Peabody and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent. You can follow her on Instagram at Jessica Yellin. And also, to get real time, clear and brilliant reporting, go to substack.com and search for her page newsnotnoise and subscribe there. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

396. Can You Change Your Partner? With Dr. Alexandra Solomon Renowned relationship expert, Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon, joins to explore a common dilemma in relationships: determining when to accept a partner's behavior and when to advocate for change – and what role you typically play in this dynamic. -How to become a real-life power couple -Whether you’re the changer or accepter role in your relationship -How your childhood could be playing out in your relationship -The importance of understanding your role in relationship dynamics Resources from Dr. Solomon for the Pod Square related to our conversations: dralexandrasolomon.com/hardthings. Alexandra H. Solomon, PhD, is internationally recognized as one of today’s most trusted voices in the world of relationships, and her framework of Relational Self-Awareness has reached millions of people around the globe. A licensed clinical psychologist in private practice, couples therapist, speaker, author, and professor, Dr. Alexandra is passionate about translating cutting-edge research and clinical wisdom into practical tools people can use to bring awareness, curiosity, and authenticity to their relationships. She is the host of the Reimagining Love Podcast and author of Love Every Day, Taking Sexy Back: How to Own Your Sexuality and Create the Relationships You Want and Loving Bravely: 20 Lessons of Self-Discovery to Help You Get the Love You Want. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1. The Nap Ministry’s Nap Bishop shares small, concrete ways to bring rest into our own lives – especially when rest seems impossible. 2. Why so many of us feel like machines instead of humans – and the power of imagination as a spiritual practice to reconnect with our humanity and divinity. 3. Why grind culture – a collaboration of capitalism and white supremacy – wants to keep us exhausted, and how we can resist a culture of overwhelming busy-ness. 4. Why everything changes when we embrace ease as our birthright. 5. Creative ways to reimagine rest within our hectic daily lives. About Tricia Tricia Hersey is a Chicago native who has called Georgia home for the last 12 years. She has over 20 years of experience as a multidisciplinary artist, writer, theologian and community organizer. She is the founder of The Nap Ministry, an organization that examines rest as a form of resistance and reparations by curating spaces for the community to rest via community rest activations, immersive workshops, performance art installations, and social media. Her research interests include Black liberation theology, womanism, somatics, and cultural trauma. She is the author of the upcoming book Rest is Resistance: A Manifesto which will be published in October 2022. You can learn more about her work and the book at thenapministry.com. TW: @TheNapMinistry IG: @thenapministry To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1. Why Emily couldn’t stop crying (and it wasn’t because she was emotional). 2. The intervention that got Emily sober – and why Amy wasn’t there. 3. Glennon admits something that she’s never told anyone before. 4. Amy and Abby agree on the shared cost of internalized homophobia and misogyny. About Indigo Girls: One of the most successful folk duos in history – Amy Ray and Emily Sailers aka THE INDIGO GIRLS – has recorded 16 albums and sold over 15 million records. Committed and uncompromising activists, they work on issues like immigration reform, LGBTQ advocacy, education, and death penalty reform. They are co-founders of Honor the Earth, a non-profit dedicated to the survival of sustainable Native communities, Indigenous environmental justice, and green energy solutions. Their latest record, Look Long is a stirring and eclectic collection of songs that finds Indigo Girls reunited in the studio with their strongest backing band to date. IG: @indigogirlsmusic, @emilysaliers & @amyraymusic TW: @Indigo_Girls, @EmilySaliers & @AmyRay To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices